The Podcasts I'm listening to, part "dos"


Back in January of this year, I wrote a blog post about my favorite Podcasts.  I have been meaning to write a second one because I have slowly added a few more that I listen to while I'm out for a walk or drawing (I can't listen and write at the same time. My brain can't handle processing so much language at the same time!), or in the car with our kiddo..

Here they are...hope you will find all of them or most of them, as worthwhile as I do.

3 Point Perspective: The Illustration Podcast

Hosts: Will Terry, Children's Book Illustrator (@willterry333), Lee White, Illustrator (@Art_Lee_White) and Jake Parker, Illustrator, Writer & Teacher (@mrjakeparker)

Will's website

Lee's website

Jake's website

Society of Visual Storytelling website (@SVSLearn)

3 Point Perspective on iTunes


Fuse 8 n' Kate

Hosts: Betsy Bird, Collection Development Manager at Evanston Public Library (@FuseEight)  & Kate Ramsey, Betsy's sister (and so much more, I'm sure, I just couldn't find it!)

Betsy's blog on SJL

Betsy's website

Fuse 8 n' Kate on iTunes



Hosts: Gillian King-Cargile, Founder & Director of STEM Read (@gkingcargile) and Dr. Kristin Brynteson, Engineer and Educator (@kbrynteson)

Dr. Brynteson's website

STEM Read Northern Illinois University website

STEM Read Podcast on NPR

STEM Read on iTunes


Shipping & Handling

Hosts: Bridget Smith, Literary Agent at Dunham Literary Inc. (@bredalot) & Jennifer Udden, Literary Agent at Barry Goldblatt Literary (@suddenlyjen)

Shipping & Handling website

Bridget's profile

Jennifer's profile

Jennifer's blog

Shipping & Handling on iTunes 


Story Makers Podcast

Hosts: Elizabeth Stark, Author, Lead Coach and Teacher at the Book Writing World (@Elizabeth_Stark) and Angie Powers, Writer and Filmmaker (@kipprsnak)

Book Writing World website

Angie's website

Story Markers Podcast's website

Story Makers Podcast on iTunes


TED Radio Hour

Host: Guy Raz, Journalist, Correspondent and Radio Host (@guyraz)

TED Radio Hour on NPR (@TEDRadioHour

TED Radio Hour on TED

TED Radio Hour on iTunes


Wow In the World

Hosts: Mindy Thomas, Co-Founder and Chief Creative Tinkerer at Tinkercast (@AbsolutelyMindy) and Guy Raz, Journalist, Correspondent and Radio Host (@guyraz)

Tinkercast website

Wow In the World on NPR (@wowintheworld)

Wow in the World on iTunes 


PW Kid Cast: Publishers Weekly PW Kid Cast

Host: Emma Kantor, Associate Children's Book Editor at Publishers Weekly (@emkantor)

Publisher's Weekly website (@PublishersWkly)




What I have learned from researching literary agents...and nothing about being chased by a mountain goat!

When I was taking the Writing for Children Certificate at the University of Washington from fall 2016 to spring 2017, one of our assignments was to research agents. At the time, looking for potential agents seemed so far into the future that I took it seriously, but the stakes were not at all high. I wanted to complete the assignment and make it worthwhile, but at the same time, nothing was riding on who I chose. I'm not even sure how I found the agency and agent I did back then, but the funny thing is that she now occupies a space on my agents-to-query list. So, I must have done a better job than I thought at finding someone I considered a possible match. After that exercise in spring 2017, I didn't think about agents all that much because I wanted to focus on actually writing (and illustrating) so that maybe I'd have a need to find an agent some day.

Well, it is now spring 2018 and "some day" has arrived. Since the agent assignment, I have finished the Certificate, started a critique group (with 4 classmates from the UW program--I will write about that in another blog post), started working a few hours a week as a Kindergarten, library and fourth grade aide, have worked on several manuscripts, made three dummies from three of my most polished manuscripts, and have worked on sample art. And so the time has come (in my humble opinion) to start seriously considering querying agents.

A few months ago, I began making a list of agents by doing some Google searches with phrases such as:  "top literary agents children's books". That brought up links to blogs like Darcy Pattison's. Every year or so she comes up with a Top 20 List of Top Literary Agents based on her research of who has sold the most titles. 

Here are a couple of other links that helped me get started:

Great! Storybook (Nov 2015)

The Children's Book Academy (Aug 2014)

I spent some time compiling a list of agents who mentioned in their profiles that they were seeking picture books and author/illustrators. A couple of months went by, during which the list sat quietly in my folder. Recently, I learned that in the world of agents, an "open for queries" status can change in a matter of only a few months. So just because I had my nicely typed list, it became critical to double-check each agent for their current status. A good place to do this, apart from the agent's profile in the agency's site, is Query Tracker. On this site, they make it very clear in red type if an agent is closed for queries. I figured out pretty quickly that checking there first gave me the green light (or not) to continue with my more extensive research on a particular agent. 

I have read from several sources that a smart approach to sending out query letters is to send them in batches of 5 to 7 at a time. Not more than that. I have come to terms with the reality that  I will have to do many batches, as I've also read that it will likely take querying around 100 agents before I actually find one who will take a chance on me. This process is not for the faint of heart or for the thin-skinned! It's for the hard-working and the hopeful!

The reasons for small batches, as I understand them:

  • I have a much better chance of personalizing my letters:  I know I should absolutely try to do this; and it doesn't mean only using the agent's name in the greeting. It means trying to connect with a particular agent from what I found out about them and their agency in my research. Writing individual letters is only possible if I concentrate on a few agents at a time.
  • I discover that my query letter needs revising: I don't want to reread my letter after I've mass mailed about 100 agents, and realize that my letter is not actually doing its job of describing my story or me. It will probably be wise for me to revise if I haven't heard back after 4 to 6 weeks and send queries to a new batch, and see how that one goes! "Keep Calm and Query On!"
  • My manuscript needs more work: if I were very impatient (which I don't think I have been) and didn't workshop my manuscript enough, or didn't put it away in a drawer for a couple of months after several revisions, as many suggest, I may reread it (after having mailed it out to every agent out there!) and kick myself when I see a bunch of changes I could've made.
  • As the ad copy for Botany men’s suits (1966) used to say “You never get a second chance to make a first impression”: Most agencies state that if one agent doesn't accept your MS submission, you should consider it an agency-wide rejection. To please not submit that MS to another of their agents, even if you've revised it. Smaller batches guarantee that I won't mess up big time. Better to strike out with a small batch than a huge one. Another thing I've learned along the way is that there are a lot of agents out in there! Sure, as in every field, some agents are better-known, but there also have to be many great ones who are not as known.

I would be lying if I said that that I haven't felt overwhelmed with regard to this process more than once...or many times. But I finally told myself that feeling overwhelmed wasn't going to get me anywhere soon, so I began my Excel sheet (I actually use Numbers for Mac) and started drawing up a list of a few agents that are now my "first batch". 

The one thing that has me a bit befuddled is the suggestion that I should not necessarily choose my "top choice agents" (brings back memories of college applications! I wonder if I can also speed up the process with a request for "early decision"?) for my first batch of query letters. I don't know much about agents to begin with, even after extensively researching many of them, let alone try to rank them based on something other than having a "feeling" that some might be a better match than others. I guess that would be reason number 5 for not making that "top list" your first query batch: you don't want to run the risk of messing up with the ones you most want to impress? (Did I mention that this process is overwhelming? Always remember: you're not alone about feeling this way. It's guaranteed to overload your noggin!). I still don't know how to fully figure this one out, really.

Here's what I've been doing to gather enough information about my first group of agents. I swear that this part of a writer's life is so time-consuming I could spend a year just doing this very thing, and not writing a single story. I have to admit that I enjoy this kind of information gathering, so as Kirby Larson once told me when I asked her "when do you know you've done enough research for your historical fiction?"...she said that research can be endless, but at some point you can just call it procrastination! Ah! There's a quote that says: "I put the Pro in Procrastinate!" I resemble that remark! So in conclusion: know when to stop, use what you've learned and move on to the next agent, or on to actually writing your query letters.

These are the places where I have been looking online for information about agents, and taking notes:

  1. Query Tracker:  I find this to be the most useful to check if an agent is open for queries or not.  That said, I'm sure it's useful in a myriad of other ways that I have yet to discover.
  2. The agency's website: most agency websites have a separate profile or bio for each of their agents. Many times these profiles will also include an agent's wish list, but not all of them do. Make sure you check out the "Submissions guidelines" page where you will learn what exactly to include in your query letter, what to send, if the agency accepts submissions by email, or if they have a query form you must fill out, or even if any or all of their agents are closed for submissions. Note to self: follow these guidelines to a tee. 
  3. Publisher's Marketplace: a good source of information about agents, their twitter handles, a list of clients, wish lists, and also information that mirrors the one on the agency's website. Again, there's probably much more, but I haven't dug deep enough!
  4. Google search: the results are mostly interviews or guest posts on author blogs; sometimes posts where readers have a chance to submit to that agent for a limited time; still other links might take you to an agent's website--some agents are also authors, which is great! What's nice about these interviews is that they tend to provide more personal information, not only professional.
  5. Social media search: I have often read how important it is to follow agents on Twitter to get a better sense of their voice, to read if they are sharing wishes for submissions, and to know who and what they are following themselves. On Facebook, I only request a connection if what I can see of the agent's Facebook page focuses on promoting kid lit topics, client books and other people's books, photos from conferences and expos, or their agency. If it looks like it's solely a personal page (or there are too many cat photos) I stay away from it. Better to "Like" the agency's page instead. I'm relatively new to Instagram, and although I have found agents with accounts, there are some that have accounts but are not posting...that doesn't mean they are not following others, though. Instagram is a great place for me to discover other illustrators. So that's the extent of my social media socializing! I'm an introvert by nature, so having added Twitter and IG to my daily routine of Facebook checking makes me feel like an electronic social butterfly. It's fun but mentally exhausting!
  6. Manuscript Wish List: a site where you can search for agents, and read their wishes for the kinds of manuscripts they want to receive in their inboxes. Not all the agents you search will appear (agents have to join to add their information), but sometimes through searches articles will pop up as options, and you might get distracted once again and read them instead of continuing your search. It's okay. As long as you're learning new stuff! (at least that's what a friend has told me could happen!) Also, look for #MSWL to find agent wishes.

I would estimate that it takes me a half hour to 45 minutes (maybe up to an hour--depends on the person) to get through researching one agent. Yes, I'm sure I get distracted frequently along the way ("Squirrel!"), but I want to make sure I have enough information to give me a sense of that particular agent, and to find out if there are tidbits that will provide me with any insights, common ground or shared interests.

During all this sleuthing, I have not hesitated to ask questions within a few communities I'm part of on Facebook about things I don't understand about the process of querying: KidLit 411, Storyteller Academy, or my chapter of SCBWI. If you've heard that the kidlit community is very supportive, you heard right. People are always willing and happy to share their insights and experiences, so go ahead...ask away!

Now that I have notes on 5 to 7 (or 8) agents who might be open to the type of stories I write, and with whom I think I could have a good working relationship, I celebrate a little, but I know this is not over yet! It's not a sprint, it's a marathon, or more like a 100K trail race up steep rocky mountains with lions and tigers and goats waiting to chase me!

Now it's time for me to take these notes and put them to work in my impressive, intriguing, awe-inspiring, mind-blowing query letters! (No pressure...whatsoever! Yikes!) But writing the query letter is a whole other blog post and...Look! Over there! It's a mountain goat! "Bleeeeeeh!" Run! And wish me luck!


ps. If you have read this whole thing and have additional suggestions based on your own agent search experiences, or have any questions, send me a message using the contact page.

pps. You might also find these links useful:

Author/illustrator Debbie Ridpath Ohi, (@inkyelbows) has created several Twitter lists that I found just the other day, and will come in handy when you want to find agents and editors to follow:

Agents kidlit/YA List and Kidlit/YA Editors List

Agent Query

Writer Beware

Thumbs Down Agencies List 


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On Change and The Podcasts I’m Listening To…

I’ve never been good with change. I’m in no way paralyzed by it; I think I just have a slight level of fear of it. I focus on who I’m leaving behind or what I’m losing. However, I must say that I love the moment when I stop and realize what I’ve gained from change—in my case, a cross-country move from the East Coast to the Pacific Northwest.

As an aspiring author and children’s book illustrator, I can’t help but think that thanks to and since moving to Seattle I have found, what feels like a more approachable, disciplined, informed, inspiring path to be on to write and illustrate. We moved in the summer of 2016. In the fall of that year, I joined the Writing for Children Certificate program at the University of Washington. Taught by writer Jolie Steckly, it was such a useful and fun program that allowed students for eight months to be readers, writers, creators, critics, agent searchers and editors. Jolie helped us prepare for pitches and round-table critiques before attending the Western Washington SCBWI Conference, and she invited many authors and illustrators to come talk to us and answer our questions.

When that ended, my main goal was to think of a way that several of my classmates and I could work together by starting a writing/critique group. And lo and behold, one year later, in the fall of 2017, our group began with 5 members, all from that class.  A few months later, we invited a 6th member to join us. Having our writing group has been fantastic, and none of this would have happened without change.

Although the Certificate program ended (and sadly now it's not offered in the same format),  one way I’ve continue to learn more about Children’s books is by going to author and illustrator events here in Seattle and in Portland, OR.  There’s  a surprisingly (to me) active Children’s Book community in this area, and I’m loving it! Another way I’ve been learning a whole lot is from podcasts. My husband introduced me to podcasts a little while back, and little by little I’ve been adding to my list of subscriptions. So, here I want to share with you what I’ve been listening to (in no particular order).  If you have any additional suggestions on KidLit podcasts, I’d love to know about them…


Stories Unbound

Host: Shawna JC Tenney, Author & Illustrator (@shawnajctenney)

Shawna's website

Stories Unbound on iTunes


All The Wonders: The Children's Book Podcast

Host: Matthew Winner, Elementary Library Media Specialist & Author (@MatthewWinner)

Matthew's website 

All The Wonders website

All The Wonders on iTunes


Books Between Podcast: Helping you connect kids between 8-12 to books they will love

Host: Corinna Allen, 5th Grade Teacher (@corrinaaallen)

Books Between website

Books Between on iTunes


The Picturebooking Podcast: A podcast about creating and sharing picture books

Host: Nick Patton, Picture book Author & Illustrator (@nickpattonillo)

Nick's SCBWI page

Picturebooking website

Picturebooking on iTunes


The Yarn

Hosts: Colby Sharp, 5th Grade Teacher & Writer (@colbysharp) & 

Travis Jonker, Elementary School Librarian & Writer (@100scopenotes)

Colby's website

Travis's website

Travis also writes for The Niblings, Children's Lit Blog Consortium (@TheNiblings4)

The Niblings on Facebook

The Yarn on iTunes



Host: Jennifer Laughran, Literary Agent at the Andrea Brown Literary Agency (@literaticat)

Jennifer's website

Literaticast on iTunes


Creative Playdate

Host: Michelle Kondrich, Commercial Artist and Animator (@MissIllustrator)

Michelle's website

Creative Playdate on iTunes


Hope this is useful to any of you who are just discovering podcasts, or starting on the path to being writers and/or children's book illustrators.